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    inexplicable phenomena

    I've got a stratocaster with a set of CS'69.
    His clean sound is perfect, but there is a problem on dirt channel.
    If I press the G sting to the fret, the sound waves. The H and E1 stings are OK. The magnet of the G string is higher than the E or D.
    I adjusted the height of the pick ups, but the problem wasn't solved.
    What is the problem? (I'm sure it's not the string or the amplifier)

    I think it may be an inexplicable phenomenon.


    And what is the solution?

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    Re: inexplicable phenomena

    The "H" string?

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    Re: inexplicable phenomena

    H string is OK, or better than G. G is a most waving.

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    Re: inexplicable phenomena

    The "H" string might be causing some strange subharmonic interference with the "G" string.

    Does it do it on all of the pickups, or just one? Which ones?
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    Re: inexplicable phenomena

    I think "inexplicable" is the operative word here.

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    Re: inexplicable phenomena

    All of the pick up. Not H string-G string interference.

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    Re: inexplicable phenomena

    It sounds like a typical case of Stratitus. You mentioned that you adjusted the pickup heights, but try dropping the neck pickup all the way flush with the pickguard, then retest.
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    Re: inexplicable phenomena

    What is a number of normal pickup height with CS '69?
    I've read: " Vintage style single coil: bass string 6/64" treble string 5/64" "
    Is it OK?

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    Re: inexplicable phenomena

    Ok!
    I'm going to try it!

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    (Strat-itis is simultaneous multiple discordant frequency syndrome). Dirty or rusty strings can also cause this but many players know this horrible phenomena is caused by excessively strong magnets in the pickups; here's how it works. What happens is the magnets of the pickups pull a section of the string (the part that's over the pickups) into a U shaped vibration path. Normally the strings vibrate in what is essentially a single-plane path or horizontal pattern. Lets say that the time taken for a string (not subjected to excessive magnet pull) to complete one cycle or oscillation is X milliseconds. Traveling in a U shaped path it actually takes longer to complete one cycle or oscillation since the distance is greater via a U shaped path, so the time is X + Y milliseconds. Now it's getting clear that what you have is a string that has a section of it's length vibrating in a U shaped path and part of the remaining section traveling in a direct single-plane path and yet other sections traveling at all frequencies between these two extremes. This means that the three sections are actually vibrating at many different frequencies when the string should be vibrating uniformly at a single frequency. What happens when you mix all these different frequencies together? Uggghhh, dissonant Stratitis that's what! It's bad enough hearing 2 non-harmonious notes coming from a single string, but when you get multiple dissonant frequencies (or notes) being produce simultaneously from a single string the results are absolutely horrendous. A string that's out of tune with itself no less, big time. That is what regular Strat pickups do; the excessively strong magnets also cause the strings to crash into the frets resulting in buzzes and rattles and loss of sustain. See also Magnets-Alnico-5.
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    Re: inexplicable phenomena

    I see. And what can I do?
    Because if I adjust the pickups too low, the clean sound will be weak.

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    Re: inexplicable phenomena

    And is it typicall about Cs '69? Has it got excessively strong magnets? (2,2 henries)

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    Re: inexplicable phenomena

    Any better type of string (with less magnetic value)?

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    Re: inexplicable phenomena

    Lower your pickups so the bodies are flush with the pickguard.

    Slowly raise the neck pickup until it sounds the best.

    Then the middle.

    Them the bridge.

    People have been playing Stratocasters for over fifty years with string gauges as small as 0.008" to at least 0.015" for the high E.

    It ain't the strings.
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    Re: inexplicable phenomena

    People have been playing Stratocasters for over fifty years with string gauges as small as 0.008" to at least 0.015" for the high E.

    It ain't the strings.

    I know. You misunderstood me! I think pure nickel, or crome are better than another.

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    Re: inexplicable phenomena

    Ain't gonna cure the problem - I took to using Kinmans in part for this reason - you - strictly speaking - don't get a pure single coil sound out of them - but they're a pretty good compromise...

    Kap'n & Fezz have told you how to adjust 'em - that's what I've always done - usually lowering the middle p/up a little bit more than the others - the neck p/up should be where the 24th fret would be if you had one - reason being the magnetic pull should interfere less with the intonation in this regard. Heavier string are little bit less prone to this phenom - being under greater tension to acheive the same pitch - but at the end of the day if the p/up's are too high your gonna get it anyway...

    Pure nickel, chrome, stainless - they're all basically steel strings at the end of the day - personally I think all that alloy stuff's just marketing - been using good ole D'Addario for yrs - gonna have to try one of them H strings though

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    Re: inexplicable phenomena

    I've been lost since "h" string...

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    Re: inexplicable phenomena

    "H" is a european term (in most languages except english) for the tone that is called "B" in english.
    c-major scale is C D E F G A H C
    Furthermore, what you call B flat, we only call "B"
    so d-minor scale would be D E F G A B C D

    causes a bit of confusion :)

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    Re: inexplicable phenomena

    Quote Originally Posted by fran View Post
    "H" is a european term (in most languages except english) for the tone that is called "B" in english.
    c-major scale is C D E F G A H C
    Furthermore, what you call B flat, we only call "B"
    so d-minor scale would be D E F G A B C D

    causes a bit of confusion :)
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    Re: inexplicable phenomena

    Quote Originally Posted by fran View Post
    "H" is a european term (in most languages except english) for the tone that is called "B" in english.
    c-major scale is C D E F G A H C
    Furthermore, what you call B flat, we only call "B"
    so d-minor scale would be D E F G A B C D

    causes a bit of confusion :)
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    Re: inexplicable phenomena

    Hmmmm..H= B Never heard that before?? Guess I'm just a dumbass..

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    Re: inexplicable phenomena

    I'm sure many of the subtle humour posts here are lost on those who do not speak 'american english' as a 1st language,
    I'm lost most of the time anyhow..

    Now those fine English folk, they got some funny stuff
    (provided the limit the 'slang')
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    Re: inexplicable phenomena

    What the "H" are those guys talking about?
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    Re: inexplicable phenomena

    Yer - well - I'm a Yank who's lived in Blighty for 27 yrs now - I have to keep remembering to say tube instead of valve - phase inverter instead of phase splitter etc when I post here - but I ain't never huhd o' no H strings - no suh

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    Re: inexplicable phenomena

    Quote Originally Posted by cooltone View Post
    What the "H" are those guys talking about?
    Bwahahahahaha!! I got that! I got that!

    Just wanted to clear things up cause I noticed a number of people on this forum whose first language is not english (me included)

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    Re: inexplicable phenomena

    Someone had to do it


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    Quote Originally Posted by fran View Post
    Just wanted to clear things up cause I noticed a number of people on this forum whose first language is not english...
    Technically - neither is mine - according to my neighbors anyway

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    Re: inexplicable phenomena

    They told us about the "H" designation in music school. But I never really stored it in memory until Douglas Hofstadter mentioned it in his book (he was making a melody out of the letters in the name Bach).

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