Circle of 5ths

[SilverStrat]

http://www.6webs.com/music/circle of 5ths.htm

I'm not doing something right? I'm right up until G# or Ab but then I'm getting F instead of Eb. What I'm I doing wrong?

[SilverStrat]

Nevermind. I was looking at the VI chord instead of the 5th. I'm a

[SilverStrat]

Another question... Does the chart in the link above make sense? Would you be able to play a I IV V progression in C Phrygian? should I remove the chord types from the mode charts?

[JAM]

Another question... Does the chart in the link above make sense? Would you be able to play a I IV V progression in C Phrygian? should I remove the chord types from the mode charts?

The chart seems pretty confusing. Where it starts modes of the major scale, only the first line seems to match the chords/modes. How can you have a dorian mode with a maj7 for example? The E has the same chords as the Eb too.

[SilverStrat]

The em7 is an e Minor 7th. You would read the scales vertically. Does this clear it up?

[JAM]

The em7 is an e Minor 7th. You would read the scales vertically. Does this clear it up?

OK, that helps, but you have II twice then (no III) reading down on the left column. Still confusing, you have all the info you need in the first column. The fifth set says E, but has chords for Eb (flat)

[SilverStrat]

Ok I'm putting together a site. Click on the Major Scales Modes link.
http://www.6webs.com/theory/

I put notes above each column so you can do a quick reference. For example if you want to know "D Phrygian" you can look it up and know that you would use the "Bb Major or Ionian Scale".

Question: I know the I, II, III, IV, etc chords make sense for the Ionian Scale but do they make sense for all of the other modes?

Thanks!

[JAM]

Question: I know the I, II, III, IV, etc chords make sense for the Ionian Scale but do they make sense for all of the other modes?

Thanks!

You mean a II of a Dorian mode would be Phrygian? Seems redundant. I think you're making it more complicated than it should be. The underlying chords dont change, for example a Dorian mode fits a min7 chord. To me it doesn't make any sense to change the starting point.

[zenland]

SilverStrat-In your C# scale the notes should all be listed as sharps instead
of mixing them with flats. (C#-d#-e#-F#-G#-a#-b#-C#)
ie: C#Maj7 to ebmin7 should read C#Maj7 to d#min7. If your running a diatonic scale. Every note in the scale should be there as to avoid any confusion even though they are enharmonically equivalent.
(the notes sound the same but are named differently)

You might be making this a little harder than (pointed out by JAM)
it should be and if you would like an excellent book that points these things out try the
Guitar Mode Encyclopedia by Jody Fisher from the National Guitar Workshop.

[SilverStrat]

I actually got a copy of fretboard logic I, II, and III and some other books. I don't think I'll be doing the site after all. I just wanted something for reference since I didn't see a lot out there from my searching.

Thanks for your help.

[zenland]

SilverStrat-I think you should do the site and here are some reasons why.
Repitition and to reinforce what you already know.
Share with others.

It's a win/win situation when you can share ideas.
example: Record a d-7 vamp (d-7=dminor7 and e-7=eminor7 ok)
Play your d dorian scale and d minor pent against that chord.
A step further: Build arps off of the d minor scale tones = DFAC-FACE-ACEG-CEGB.
A step further: Since the d dorian is from the C major scale there are two other minor 7 chords in that scale that overlap the d dorian.
D Dorian=D E F G A B C D
E Phrygian= E F G A B C D E
A Aeolian= A B C D E F G A
Now play the e and a minor pents an arps against the d-7 also.
Lots of ideas to throw out against static chord vamps.

Hey, it is The Woodshed right? :)