I'm in the no camp. Best strat I have has H-S-H. Also, since the pups float on the guard, the pups are only transfering wood resonating with the string. Can't be that much wood that is missing even with a universal route IMHO...
I'm in the no camp. Best strat I have has H-S-H. Also, since the pups float on the guard, the pups are only transfering wood resonating with the string. Can't be that much wood that is missing even with a universal route IMHO...
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Not amplified.
Acousticaly, maybe but who cares?
Master of Disaster on the Stratocaster
I'm in the no club as well atleast for strats and teles. One of my best sounding strats has the swimming pool route.
Doubtful.
There you have it! The swimming pool route is the superior sounding routeOriginally posted by bluesgtr20
One of my best sounding strats has the swimming pool route.
I also have a swimming pool route Strat that sounds great. So I would also vote it doesn't make a big difference but my preference would be with the traditional S-S-S route.
Yes, because it's a laws of physics sort of thing.
BUT I doubt the difference would be noticeable to us, like sound above 44,000 we can't hear... That sort of thing.
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i think yes to a certain degree. i believe EVERYTHING on a guitar contributes to its tone. but that doesn't mean a hacked or swimming pool routed guitar will always sound bad. but i would say there is less of a chance for a KILLER guitar.
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I'm not really sure. I know I have three USA strats currently. One H-S-H routed w/trem and rosewood, one swimming pool w/trem and rosewood and one hardtail H-S-H w/maple (modded w/buckers so it doesn't count here). Of the two traditional strats the H-S-H routed one sounds better to me (not necessarily to everyone). The problem with this test is that it's still apples to oranges because the guitars are both bone stock and 15 years different in age. Fender has made several other changes over the past 15 years than just the route. Staggered pole pieces, slightly different body construction, staggered tuners, and I'm sure lots of stuff I can't think of right now or don't know. That being said I refer back to my opening statement of I'm not really sure.
I have no idea, but I think the more wood, the better. In some cases. Probably.
More wood is good, true, but I've never needed more.
Yes.
But not necessarily in a negative way. :wail2
So, it's settled. The answer is yes, or maybe no.
No I believe the actual answer is No, or maybe yes.
More tea vicar?
I think we can settle on maybe. I'm thinking I'm going to actually test this out with a crap guitar...
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The correct answer is Yes..No...Maybe...err .
The more wood you can get,the better, always have something warm or get something warm inside you every day,according to your orientation.
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I don't think I agree with that. "Sounds better" as we all know, is a relative & subjective term.Originally posted by Lemniscate
The more wood you can get,the better
That said, there are plently of crappy sounding guitars with *lots* of wood in 'em. Plently of great-souding guitars with less wood, or even not made of wood at all. Those aluminum LP & tele copies (can't remember the brand) f'r instance.
There's more varience in the quality of the wood & quality of construction than in pup routes, IMO. Time to play more guitar.
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Nah, I pinched that from 7818,just so i could add some mild smutt and my real answer is the jury is still out leaving the lights on with no-one home. Guess I need more smilies. :)
They're James Trussart Steel series and much admired by me http://www.jamestrussart.com/models.html.
The subject can be too large for me to do justice too,not being a timber specialist,so I was being flippant.
"There's more varience in the quality of the wood & quality of construction than in pup routes, IMO. " Yeah I've owned one or two [dozen].
Originally posted by detuned
There's more varience in the quality of the wood & quality of construction than in pup routes, IMO.
yep. IF all things were equal then it might be an issue for some. But when are all other variables ever equal?
Those Trussarts are sweet!
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I have a hardtail strat. In a blind test you would never be able to detect a difference between it and a whammy equipped strat that was made of similar materials with similar pickups. There's a whole lot more difference between a hardtail and whammy strat than the swimming pool vs. SSS route.
I believe that whatever difference it may make is too insignificant for us dumbasses to understand in light of all the other variables from one guitar to another.
The only way to tell for sure would be to have a SSS routed strat and take some scientific measurements. Then, route that strat for HSH and play it PRECISELY the same way (maybe use a robot or cyborg or Eric Johnson or something) and take the same measurements. Then do the same for swimming pool.
NOBODY is going to ever do that. It's just another thing to have protracted silly arguments about on internet forums.
is notOriginally posted by curtisstetka
It's just another thing to have protracted silly arguments about on internet forums.
is so
:hee
Like Detuned said, I think there is more of a variance in the individual pieced together bodies than there is in the different pup routes. When I got my strat, an MIJ 68 RI, there was another one of the same model, but it was natural. It looked nicer than the sunburst one, but in A/B tests, the sunburst had a warmer sound. Since then, I put CS Fat 50s in, and now it really rocks.
Not in the slightest......
I tried fitting EMG's in one of my Strats. Well I'm buggered if the things would drop straight in, so I just got an ordinary chisel and hacked away at the pick up cavities till they did..If you look inside there are rough bits of wood all over the show.....Jeeeesus... I have got bits and pieces crammed in all over the place.. The trem is locked down and a chunk of kindling wood jamming it in place....Bits of matchsticks rammed in the strap button holes... A chunk cut out to put a battery in..... It's a fucking mess in there...LOL...... But the sweetest sound you have heard.
Not just in my opinion either, but many pro's too. Lots of people comment on the sound.
Big Doris is the old two tone sunburst gal in the right of the pic.
http://www.guitarsandaudio.com/extra...f%20Strats.jpg
Ok some could argue that it is because of the E.M.G's.....Well if that's the case is obviously doesn't matter a damn what you do in there.
I think many people can start getting too precious about instruments.
Mine are working tools, and if they get the right sound, I don't basicaly worry about chopping up things here and there.
Well, whatever I did to it, it certainly sounds a darned sight better than it used to....:lolspin :lolspin :lolspin
Phil.
Last edited by phil47uk; 01-23-2004 at 03:23 PM.
Thats Right Use Your earsOriginally posted by Sven
Like Detuned said, I think there is more of a variance in the individual pieced together bodies than there is in the different pup routes. When I got my strat, an MIJ 68 RI, there was another one of the same model, but it was natural. It looked nicer than the sunburst one, but in A/B tests, the sunburst had a warmer sound. Since then, I put CS Fat 50s in, and now it really rocks.
find a long row of twaingers and go through them with out plugging them in. pick the few that You like and feel good and do the plug and play thingie.
Your fingers will tell You what You want
Phil, you're MY kind of Luthier :)Originally posted by phil47uk
..got an ordinary chisel and hacked away at the pick up cavities till they did..If you look inside there are rough bits of wood all over the show.....Jeeeesus... I have got bits and pieces crammed in all over the show.. The trem is locked down and a chunk of kindling wood jamming it in place....Bits of matchsticks rammed in the strap button holes... A chunk cut out to put a battery in..... It's a fucking mess in there...LOL......
Perhaps we should get together and... forcibly restrain ourselves from luthiery..you should see my "Hedgehog-buckers" and Pacifica [or maybe not] sometime.:lol2
I use toothpicks on the strapbutton holes. Everybody knows matchsticks suck tone.
Sven
You have probably been using those Swedish matches...Far too soft and made from pine.
You must try the old English oak matches. Far superior and sustain like there's no tomorrow. ( you can even feel it through the strap.) :tw59
Phil.
Last edited by phil47uk; 01-24-2004 at 07:37 AM.
:roflOriginally posted by curtisstetka
[ (maybe use a robot or cyborg or Eric Johnson or something) [/B]
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gotta disagree:
* The more SOLID the body, the more sustain possible.
* The less SOLID the body (think chambered bodies here) the more resonant / acoustic-like the sustain, but ONLY 'certain' frequencies are "sustained" and not predominately ALL frequencies as with the solid body.
... explain that the thinner the body, the more sustain (that's why a cymbal sustains so well), or something like that
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Ha! I'll offer a hundred bucks to the guy who can tell the difference in routing in a double blind test.
shoudek--weight aside, pickup a Thinline Tele and a regular Tele, play them both...and tell me you can't HEAR a difference?
I was always under the impression that the purpose of having seperate pickup routes had nothing to do with tone, but that the original intent was to shield them electromagnetically from each other. Has anyone else ever heard this? I'm sure Leo Fender had a good reason for making seperate routes, he always tried to take shortcuts when he could, and I find it hard to imagine he insisted on seperate routes just to retain that miniscule extra amount of wood.
Leo Fender was a man of simplicity...the less wood removed was the simpler process, thus the shorter process, thus the most economic process.
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