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    I've been semi-retired from teaching for six months. Started a writing, editing, and proofreading business--had lots of traffic on my web site leaving messages--none of them was legit. Bad time to start a biz like that. Fortunately, I'm only out about $1000. Lesson learned.

    So I've been applying for all kinds of jobs. Had my first interview today, working for Gander RV sales. ha ha. First non-academic interview I've had in 27 years, and I snagged it. Base pay is poor, and commission will come as I learn and get the chance. Health and dental. 401k. Not a bad career for an older guy.

    It's corny maybe, but I'm excited about it. I know very little about RVs, but by this time next month, I'm going to know a great deal. My main training was research--I'll hit this stuff heavy.

    It's a relief in this economy. I'll have to live on a tight budget. That's okay. I have everything I need. Pay the few bills, buy a bit of reefer, and that's all I need. Yeeeeeeee
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    Re: They Call Me the Working Man--That's What I Am

    make sure they understand cruise control ain't autopilot. ye ain't selling no tesla
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    Re: They Call Me the Working Man--That's What I Am

    Are ya gonna offer 75% discount to your TFF friends?

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    "Live and learn and flip the burns"

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    Re: They Call Me the Working Man--That's What I Am

    Quote Originally Posted by ch willie View Post
    I've been semi-retired from teaching for six months. Started a writing, editing, and proofreading business--had lots of traffic on my web site leaving messages--none of them was legit. Bad time to start a biz like that. Fortunately, I'm only out about $1000. Lesson learned.

    So I've been applying for all kinds of jobs. Had my first interview today, working for Gander RV sales. ha ha. First non-academic interview I've had in 27 years, and I snagged it. Base pay is poor, and commission will come as I learn and get the chance. Health and dental. 401k. Not a bad career for an older guy.

    It's corny maybe, but I'm excited about it. I know very little about RVs, but by this time next month, I'm going to know a great deal. My main training was research--I'll hit this stuff heavy.

    It's a relief in this economy. I'll have to live on a tight budget. That's okay. I have everything I need. Pay the few bills, buy a bit of reefer, and that's all I need. Yeeeeeeee
    heh, I shot you a pm yesterday on the 330 with my phone. My wife is starting the same business and I have some thoughts that may help. Call me

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackonblack View Post
    heh, I shot you a pm yesterday on the 330 with my phone. My wife is starting the same business and I have some thoughts that may help. Call me

    Mark
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    Dan, you won't believe that I thought of that very movie when I applied for the job. ha ha.

    I enjoy taking on personas. Lately, I've played cowboy. Decided during my last semester that I would wear hat and boots and let my students believe I had a horse farm.

    So now, I'm going to take on the persona of an RV salesman. I'm down for it. It's like acting for a living, but I'm going to dig it. I know these people here, gonna get them in a vehicle that'll make their lives richer..... yeahhhhhhh babbby.
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    That was a fabulous movie! And it's terrific how every little aspect of it ties together. No loose ends!

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    I've got to watch it again. It's been forever.

    My sister has also made me promise to watch Robin Williams in RV. I love him, but I've never seen that movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ch willie View Post
    Dan, you won't believe that I thought of that very movie when I applied for the job. ha ha.

    I enjoy taking on personas. Lately, I've played cowboy. Decided during my last semester that I would wear hat and boots and let my students believe I had a horse farm.

    So now, I'm going to take on the persona of an RV salesman. I'm down for it. It's like acting for a living, but I'm going to dig it. I know these people here, gonna get them in a vehicle that'll make their lives richer..... yeahhhhhhh babbby.
    Years ago we had a guest speaker to keynote our annual convention. I forget his name, but he was a Texas Millionaire who had built his business from nothing. We sat at dinner with him, and he was a little Corn-Pone-y (hat, boots, gold handled cane, "aw shucks" attitude), but a really nice guy. We really enjoyed dining with him. Then, he got up to speak about his rags to riches life and as he went on, he had the crowd listening to every word. Around 3/4 of the way to his speech he started becoming more of a caricature than a character - turns out he was a college professor (or something) and actor. It was all fake - he was one of the best speakers we ever had. he sometimes spoke as England's Minister of Education, too. I worked for the Association and they kept the secret even from us.

    Talk to Offshore Angler - he was very successful doing that. If it works out, we can have another TFF jam and go on the road again, too.

    "We catched fish and talked, and we took a swim now and then to keep off sleepiness." Mark Twain

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    Re: They Call Me the Working Man--That's What I Am

    Quote Originally Posted by ch willie View Post
    Dan, you won't believe that I thought of that very movie when I applied for the job. ha ha.

    I enjoy taking on personas. Lately, I've played cowboy. Decided during my last semester that I would wear hat and boots and let my students believe I had a horse farm.

    So now, I'm going to take on the persona of an RV salesman. I'm down for it. It's like acting for a living, but I'm going to dig it. I know these people here, gonna get them in a vehicle that'll make their lives richer..... yeahhhhhhh babbby.
    I need a "like" button

    Yeah, i need to watch that movie again, too.
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    The RV business is cutthroat and long hours. I grew up around the RV and Marine industry so it's second nature to me. Put me through college.

    First off, the customers are going to be the most gloriously unsophisticated melange of humanity you'll ever encounter. Lot's of NASCAR and rebel flags. Let's just say not a lot of diversity. Unless you can work your way up to high end diesel push rigs and 5th wheels you'll need to deal with a lot of "interesting" people. Good news is they ain't so smart and they're pretty easy to fleece.

    Unless you get into PREVOST or customs the RVs are generally ramshackle crap with no differentiators between brand so for the entry-to-mid level stuff it often becomes a price war, so the dumbest competitor wins.

    The biggest problem you'll run into today is that most modern cars can't tow anything. So the first question you need to ask is "What's your tow vehicle?" If they have a 4 cylinder don't waste your time. (Unless it's a Vovlo.)

    The big money is in 5th wheels - learn them inside out and become a specialist. If the dealership has any rear-kitchens in stock find a new place to work - they have no clue. If a customer pulls up in an F350 dually be sure you're the first person to meet them at the door!

    If you're good you don't work for salary, you work for a percentage of the gross profit. Good salespeople get up to 25% of the gross. You generally have a couple "top dawg" salespeople who have negotiated deals that get all the referral customers and then salaried "bodies" that handle the walk-ins. You'll pick up on who's who pretty quickly. If you start at the bottom you need to work about 4-5 years to build up a clientele before you make any money. If you treat your customers well you'll get referrals and repeats. Once you're really good you'll never have to take a walk-in.

    The worst aspect of the job though, is "RV shows." They're the scam of scams and nothing but extra work for the salespeople so that the dealer can get extra advertising coop money from the manufacturers. They certainly are no deal for the customer!

    Make sure you know about all the "spiffs" from the manufacturer. Sometimes the dealers don't tell the salespeople and keep them for themselves. When a factory rep shows up always ask about the spiffs.

    Become an expert in hitches and wiring.

    Nights and weekends - sucks.

    It can be rewarding but be prepared to work harder than you ever have in your life, looking into the eyes of some racist rednecks and smiling while you take their money.

    Now boats, that's just a dream job! I love you mony, mony, mony! It's easier to make six figures in the boat biz than falling off a dock. Selling one 92' Viking is enough to keep you going in style for a couple years. And you rub elbows with some pretty cool folks.

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    Chuck, thank you, man. I appreciate your careful and detailed response. I really appreciate you give me your expert view on this subject. Everything you said is exactly what the boss told me yesterday and confirms to me that what he said was honest and true.

    I had two great opportunities to talk to the boss and a young salesman there.

    The young guy told me exactly what you did about the hierarchy of salespeople and such.

    As for customers--I know the crowd you're talking about, was partly raised around them, live in a town full of them. I am not like them, but I understand them, and I know how to talk to them with respect, even if my life and choices are different.
    The greatest thing about the interview is that the boss was candid with me. He told me everything that you just told me. He told me about his sales team, and he told me the struggle I'll have financially. He didn't pull punches. He gave me that awful, and he gave me the good and the possible.

    One of the first things he told me was just an aside about customer who don't have a hitch that can take a camper, and they hardly ever do. As you talked about. He also told me RVs, unlike cars, break down a lot more, need parts replacements all the time. I'll get to know those parts.


    I'm a quick learner and a thorough learner. When I began my studies in literature, I was coming from a home in which no one read and no one had ever gone to a college or university. I had read only a bit but not the serious stuff. Within 2 years of my studies, I had read more than many of my professors. I still had a lot to learn of course, and I dug in. Learned to speak French in six months. My GRE scored me in the top 2% in the nation.

    Not bragging; just saying that i will learn every fucking thing that I can learn about the business, from the vehicles themselves to the methods salesfolk use. This is what I was trained to do. And when I get interested in something, I go deep.
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    Willie, you are most welcome.

    Who are you working for? I know most of the dealers on the east coast. I've been a manager too and here's my best advice:

    1) Every morning take a stock walk, know where every size and floor plan is located on that day.
    2) If you land them on a unit do a trial close - say "Would you like this one if the figures are agreeable?" Then look right at Momma. If she turns and looks at her hubby you're onto a deal. If they won't buy it for no price they won't buy it for any price.
    3) Always sell to the woman. The guy just wants to drink beer, momma wants a home on wheels.
    4) Learn the refrigerators. One brand has a tray that holds melted ice if you lose power while you're away, the others drip it on the floor. Major selling point for momma.
    5) Don't try to close unless you have them sitting down - ever!
    6) Use your manager! At your stage if you land them on a unit and get them to sit down you have done your job. Take any offer they'll put on paper no matter how ridiculous it seems to you.

    Carry a pad and pencil and take copious notes and follow up with the customers until they buy or die. Keep records, send birthday cards, anniversary of sale cards, etc. The people who make money are the ones that work hard, not the ones sitting around for the next person to walk in the door.
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    Might be an inadvertently great career move. Was reading today that RV sales are going nuts right now. Might be regional (to Canada) but perhaps not. Good luck!

    Do you get to take rigs home on the weekend to improve your “product knowledge”?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdog View Post
    Might be an inadvertently great career move. Was reading today that RV sales are going nuts right now. Might be regional (to Canada) but perhaps not. Good luck!

    Do you get to take rigs home on the weekend to improve your “product knowledge”?
    I'm hoping they'll give me one as an Xmas bonus.

    The boss told me that their sales are incredible due to the situation. RV salespeople are thanking their lucky stars.
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    Hey, Chuck,

    Thanks again for the info. You are very kind to share your expertise with me.

    I loved your first point--I plan to know the stock inside and out, literally. You know, I've never done anything like this, but I had already thought, that I'd need to walk the lot every morning. It just makes sense. I managed a record store years ago, and I learned about selling to Mama, but I'm really glad you reminded me of it.

    Your explanation and advice are very interesting to me. I would never have imagined myself going into sales, and now, I want to learn sales techniques.

    The boss was so candid with me and really confided in me when talking about their department and employees. And even though he didn't say, here are great sales strategies, the information I put together gave me great tips for selling.

    Anyway, Chuck. I wish you and I could have cup of coffee together. We'd spend the first 30 minutes in a pissing contest to see who's boss of knowledge, and then we'd have the most interesting discussions. I appreciate you, man.
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    Willie, sounds good to me.

    Got in at zero dark thirty last night. Had to bring a wounded yacht back and dock it on one engine for the owner. Got to see an awesome sunset on the water though. I went into the engine room and it looks expensive. Feel bad for the guy but I'm pretty sure he can afford to fix it.

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    Re: They Call Me the Working Man--That's What I Am

    Quote Originally Posted by Offshore Angler View Post
    Willie, sounds good to me.

    Got in at zero dark thirty last night. Had to bring a wounded yacht back and dock it on one engine for the owner. Got to see an awesome sunset on the water though. I went into the engine room and it looks expensive. Feel bad for the guy but I'm pretty sure he can afford to fix it.

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    Some of the work you guys do is fascinating! Perhaps we could start a thread on "what do you do to support your guitar buying/playing habit?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Offshore Angler View Post
    Willie, sounds good to me.

    Got in at zero dark thirty last night. Had to bring a wounded yacht back and dock it on one engine for the owner. Got to see an awesome sunset on the water though. I went into the engine room and it looks expensive. Feel bad for the guy but I'm pretty sure he can afford to fix it.

    Chuck
    Man, if I were rich, I'd have a nice ocean faring vehicle. I often have a fantasy of living on a yacht and traveling the coasts of every continent I could.

    It's good to dream even when the dream will never come true. There's pleasure in it.
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    Re: They Call Me the Working Man--That's What I Am

    Quote Originally Posted by ch willie View Post
    Man, if I were rich, I'd have a nice ocean faring vehicle. I often have a fantasy of living on a yacht and traveling the coasts of every continent I could.

    It's good to dream even when the dream will never come true. There's pleasure in it.
    Until I read his autobiography, I wasn't aware that Eric Clapton had bought a boat.


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    Re: They Call Me the Working Man--That's What I Am

    Hey OSA - I read you post with interest. About the RV shows, I always wondered who footed the bill to move all the rigs from a dealership (or wherever) to the parking lot of the stadium/arena. Not like you can put any of those on a float truck. Is is the poor lot jockey who has to ferry them all to the show?

    In any case, looks like a logistical nightmare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldStrummer View Post
    Some of the work you guys do is fascinating! Perhaps we could start a thread on "what do you do to support your guitar buying/playing habit?"
    Here's one of the things that's kept me busy for the last year or two....

    We should have been in Portsmouth UK this month if COVID hadn't appeared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ch willie View Post
    Man, if I were rich, I'd have a nice ocean faring vehicle. I often have a fantasy of living on a yacht and traveling the coasts of every continent I could.

    It's good to dream even when the dream will never come true. There's pleasure in it.
    About 30 some years ago, I did one of those "What Colour is Your Parachute" career exercise things. One of my outcomes was full time yacht living where the yacht could accommodate a small helicopter AND have an on-board recording studio. Well, reality kicked in. I've done OK for myself, though. I have my own "stone frigate" (of a type) with a modest studio but no helicopter.

    This little dinghy fits my bill, though, if it should ever come to pass that I own a boat I could live on.....


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    I spent plenty of time on the water while in the Navy, but I used to fantasize about sailing around the world after retirement. Next to my shop they built an over 50 retirement park, and several years ago, an "old salt" retired merchant marine bought a place there. I used to work on his vehicles, and he would stop after work, and have a beer, but he always had great stories! He spent several years after he retired just cruising with his wife, and dog. She wrote articles for travel magazines, and he speculated on boats. Told me he made a living buying boats cheap, and then taking them to a locale where they were a premium! (He only lasted about a year here in the high desert, and headed back to sea)!

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    Usually for a show the salespeople do all the moving because you don't have to pay them. The dealer foots the bill but the manufacturer's will offer incentives to the dealer to offset the advertising costs. The result is almost never a reduced cost to the consumer, but the mentality is you create an urgency to buy because of the show's perceived value to the customer.

    Although I don't do boats full-time anymore I still stay in touch with my customers and most of the dealers welcome me to come in and assist them with a sale of my clientele. I even let customer's with smaller boats leave them on my property for free if they need to. I spend about two days a week on the water in the summer. I also have a custom fishing tackle business that keeps me busy too. There's always someone asking me take them out to show them some fishing techniques or how to operate things on their boats or driving tips.


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    This island has been for sale for a while now. I had visions of buying it (the price has come down a lot from the $10 Million they originally wanted) and renovating it into a luxury hotel and recording studio that celebs could stay at while they recorded in a refurbished 18th century fort. Right on Lake Champlain and adjacent to the Canadian border.

    https://www.privateislandsonline.com...gomery-newyork
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    hmm, wonder what the property taxes on an island is like.

    "I'm king of this island I decree no property taxes"

    There may be sovereign rights issues, though. Not sure if ownership includes them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Offshore Angler View Post
    Usually for a show the salespeople do all the moving because you don't have to pay them. The dealer foots the bill but the manufacturer's will offer incentives to the dealer to offset the advertising costs. The result is almost never a reduced cost to the consumer, but the mentality is you create an urgency to buy because of the show's perceived value to the customer.



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    That's kind of what I figured. And since I never seem to see a never-ending parade of RVs and trailers moving around the city as a show draws near, I guess they do the movements overnight so as not to get bogged down with traffic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gibsonjunkie View Post
    This island has been for sale for a while now. I had visions of buying it (the price has come down a lot from the $10 Million they originally wanted) and renovating it into a luxury hotel and recording studio that celebs could stay at while they recorded in a refurbished 18th century fort. Right on Lake Champlain and adjacent to the Canadian border.

    https://www.privateislandsonline.com...gomery-newyork
    That's pretty interesting but it looks like $995K US per LOT - for a total of 8 homesites on 8 acres. I wonder if the old fort part of the island could even be developed? Lot size? 1/2 acre maybe? Barely even a road going through the bush there - more of a track. My guess is there's zero in the way of utilities run out there. Speculation gone rampant!

    I've been though Rouses Point a LOT over the years - had no idea there was a derelict fort there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdog View Post
    That's pretty interesting but it looks like $995K US per LOT - for a total of 8 homesites on 8 acres. I wonder if the old fort part of the island could even be developed? Lot size? 1/2 acre maybe? Barely even a road going through the bush there - more of a track. My guess is there's zero in the way of utilities run out there. Speculation gone rampant!

    I've been though Rouses Point a LOT over the years - had no idea there was a derelict fort there.
    The town seems pretty close so utilities wouldn't be too far away. This is all contingent on me being rich... not likely to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdog View Post
    That's kind of what I figured. And since I never seem to see a never-ending parade of RVs and trailers moving around the city as a show draws near, I guess they do the movements overnight so as not to get bogged down with traffic?
    A few years back I worked in a building overlooking the back parking lot of the convention center here.
    Got to watch the staging and loading in for the car show and then the boat show that winter.
    It was something else seeing over the course of a couple weeks all these boats showing up, usually overnight, but not always, and then watching them get shuffled inside. Once that was done, the trucks with the smaller booths came in, sometimes just a van, or a series of 26' box trucks, depending on what they were selling. Then, of course once the show was over, watching the boats coming back out to the lot and the trucks picking them up.

    CH Willie: You'd actually be amazed what you can get a decent boat for these days. I don't know about powerboats big enough to have the fuel to get across oceans, but I know at least a couple that were frugal enough to get from mid-Maine to south coast of Massachusetts on one tank.
    Sailboats are another story. If you're handy; don't mind working on it a bit, and you're patient, you can get a good ocean-crosser for less than a vintage Strat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrgtr42 View Post
    CH Willie: You'd actually be amazed what you can get a decent boat for these days. I don't know about powerboats big enough to have the fuel to get across oceans, but I know at least a couple that were frugal enough to get from mid-Maine to south coast of Massachusetts on one tank.
    Sailboats are another story. If you're handy; don't mind working on it a bit, and you're patient, you can get a good ocean-crosser for less than a vintage Strat.
    Thanks. The coast is about a 10 hour drive from here, but I live close to the Mississippi on one side, and an hour's drive to the Tennessee River which is cleaner than the Mississippi.

    But I'd be more interested in a camper than a boat; I'd use the camper more.

    I love boats though, and the discussion here has been interesting.
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    Price of boats have skyrocketed lately. Anything quality over 36' with diesels and you're talking a million and up. I've seen 25' bowriders going for over $300K for quality stuff like CorrectCraft or Mastercraft.

    I just saw one of my old fishing boats go for twice what I sold it for about 8 years ago. There's an awful lot of junk out there for cheap like Glastron, Four Winns, Wellcraft, etc., but if you want a nice boat the prices are staggering.

    The trend towards multi engine center consoles is driving the price up now too. It's not uncommon to sell a boat with 4 300HP outboards on the transom. Each one of those engines alone costs more than the average car.

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    Re: They Call Me the Working Man--That's What I Am

    Quote Originally Posted by gibsonjunkie View Post
    The town seems pretty close so utilities wouldn't be too far away. This is all contingent on me being rich... not likely to happen.
    hah! understood.

    Once the borders open again, I may take a motorcycle ride, pack my tent and spend a night there. That's the closest I'll ever get to owning my own island!

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