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In my opinion, my playing in a band boils down to two questions I ask myself while driving to the show.
1) Am I excited about doing this, and have I been looking forward to it all week?
2) Did I encourage my friends and family to come check us out?
If the answer to either one or both is "no", then I'm in the wrong band.
Everyone has they're own reasons why and how they do things, and they're all good. Which again is why I said, "I'd have to rethink why I do this." :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kap'n
For me, your sentence would read like this, "If the musicians are great and the listeners are happy, I will do any song." Playing with great musicians and making my listening audience happy is where my fun is.
If I join an established band that plays songs I don't like as much, I figure they're doing that because it's what their target audience wants to hear. Like the songs or not, I'll play the hell out of them and have a great time doing it as long as the band is great and the audience is happy.
Now, if I want to join a start-up band who wants to do a bunch of songs I don't like, well, they'd have to be literally amazing musicians who already have a lot of booking leads for me to still want to join. For me that's a different situation.
As for Mustang Sally or any of the other songs mentioned here, here's my belief, like it or not:
There are no intrinsically bad songs, just personal opinions and personal taste. If anyone thinks they know enough to decide what's bad for someone else, they lost something important along the way.
Beyond that, I think we should all do what makes us happy in our musical lives. If only playing certain songs makes some folks happy--go for it. If there are other whore-like weirdos like me who will play anything a crowd wants to hear, well, so be it. :smile:
pc, you're kind of weird, but you're not a whore. If you were, you'd be playing a purple amp or something.:wah:
Well, factually, only the face plate is purple. And the back plate. Oh, and the logo. And the footswitch. And the speakers. The rest is black.
:laughing:
so when someone from the crowd shouts *SWeet home alabama(SHA)* or *MS* or *HeyJoe*, ...this is really what they wanna hear.
good or bad. wrong or right....it involves the crowd.
and yea, we def play 3 chord songs.
but we also play 5 chord, 8 chord songs. we're a bar band. very blue collar. ....biker bar band, as it were.
to me, this epitomises(sp?) why i do it. i dont wanna play for suits. or ties, or beemers, or furs......i wanna play for flannel and leather.
..and if they wanna hear SHA, then dammit, i'll play it for them! :D
now...if you get a chance to play w/ SteeleyDan, well then, you're not gonna play SHA for anything b/c you play ORIGINAL music. God bless ya. Good work if you can get it.
this thread clearly has 2 camps; the extra-cash/weekend warrior, and the pro/sole-form-of-income kinda guy.
i'm the former, so i'm able to have this attitude.
xoxoxoxo
NOWI know why the Irish traditional tune "Black Velvet Band" is so popular in the pubs - it's the Brown Eyed Girl of celtic bands!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kap'n
"Her eyes they shone like the diamond
You'd think she was queen of the land
And her hair hung over her shoulder
Tied up in a black velvet band"
DD
and so it goes... in my experience, an abrupt parting of the ways was best for all involved....:smile:Quote:
Originally Posted by Plugger
Fun or not, for a living or not, for socialization or not. Bottom line for is that I gotta have SOME standards. "No Mustang Sally" is one of them. I've even got a T-shirt with that logo.
DD
I'm a weekend warrior/poseur as well. We play bars, the divier the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by frank thomson
At the risk of sounding sexist and puerile, my band's formula is to play for the women, who attract the men, who buy the booze, who allow the bar to profit, who book us again.
But...I...just...can't...play...Mustang Sally no matter who asks for it.
DD
Oh, hell, if someone asks for it and I know it, I'll play the thing. Doesn't matter what it is. If I don't know the lyrics, I ask for someone in the audience that does know it to come sing it. I live in redneck hell, so there is NO shortage of drunk rednecks that think they can sing to come up and do a song. :-P
Well, at the very moment, it's also my only source of income! And as for me, I've had more $$ playing with less "talented" musicians...but to each his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by fezz parka
As my friend so eloquently stated, "We're glorified alcohol salesmen"!
Poor Mustang Sally. It's the HRD of songs!
To you.
Well, if OA meant it in that it gets no respect, he'd be right.
It's certainly the Rodney Dangerfield of songs.
Not to the audience. It always seams to go over great with the audience. This thread is the first time I've ever heard anyone complain about MS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kap'n
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Originally Posted by franchelB
It's a long-standing tradtion for musicians.
poseur?
i'm OLD, and I remember when *gangbanging* meant a TOTALLY different thing.
what's *todays* definition of poseur?
or maybe poser, and poseur are diff words?
edumacate a brotha
LOL - same thing brotha - just Frenchified a bit. We use that term in the mountain biking world. "Schwag" instead of "swag". We're complete geeks in that community, too....Quote:
Originally Posted by frank thomson
DD
Another long-standing tradition with a modern twist:Quote:
Originally Posted by Guitar_Mc
http://www.cafepress.com/nomustangsally
http://www.musicnl.ca/viewpic5.php?p...eleases/53.jpg
well, DD, then i think you're dissin yourself by calling yourself a poser.
-you're on stage, right?
-you're physically playing a tuned, amplified guitar so the crowd can hear, right?
-you're performing a song from beginning to end, right?
well, my friend, you are NOT a poser.
you may be a weekend warrior(<term;yuk!), but you're NOT a poser.
and a true weekend warrior ONLY plays on the weekends. (eg;like the guys who play flag-football).
We practice during the week for a weekend performance, right? Maybe we should be considered semi-pros?...or Triple-A players?
are the Dallas Cowboys weekend warriors?....:wah:
sorry, not too fond of that term(WW)
JMO.[/rant]
I'm with Frank. Nothing "posing" about gigging on weekends. It's live music--that's as real and cool as it gets.
The only place I've ever heard MS bashed was here at TFF. If you do a search, you'll find that song mentioned in 29 threads. In those threads it certainly has less lovers and more haters, but you do see some interesting contrasts, for instance:Quote:
Originally Posted by Guitar_Mc
(Emphasis added on last sentence)Quote:
Originally Posted by Offshore Angler
:laughing: I guess it isn't the HRD of songs after all.
And before you try to reconcile the two threads OA, don't bother--I really don't care, just thought it was funny. I'd agree that ANY music done in a bashing style without taste and at maximum volume bothers me too.
No prob Pete. What I meant by MS and the HRD analogy is that it seems to be a lightning rod and everybody seems to choose up sides, but apparently I did a poor job of expressing that sentiment. I dig the song, a lot, when done well.
It's also good to see my views have been consistent, he he. Don't want to get labeled a "flip flopper", LOL!
No, you chimed in on a lot of those 29 threads and you were actually very consistent. And your point is really 100 percent valid about arrangements. It's just that if I read this thread alone, I'd get the impression you hate the song from your posts above, but you clearly don't. You just hate crappy cover bands, and on that, we agree wholly! :ha
And, FWIW, others in this same thread who do hate it have also consistently hated it over the last several years, although nobody was quite as vocal as pbradt. Reading those old threads, one can see he REALLY hates it. :D
Cool, and viewed through the lens of the original premise of the thread, I think this particular song is a great example of why I'm a stickler for dynamics!
pbradt never left any doubt as to how he felt about anything.
THAT'S NOT A REAL TELE!!!
OK, Frank, I'll settle for that... whatever we decide to call it...;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by frank thomson
(I'm still not playin' Mustang Sally, dammit!)
DD
:D
You obviously missed last season!Quote:
Originally Posted by frank thomson
"you're on my ignoor list, pal"Quote:
Originally Posted by curtisstetka
I recall that one frequently
Frequently enough that eventually, when Pete logged on, all he saw were his own posts.
What's wrong with "weekend warrior?" I think it has a heroic quality to it. When i was writing for EQ, I called the column "Guest Room Warrior," as I was writing to the legion of new-media producers who work from their homes... spare bedrooms, converted garages, and basements like my own. We just as serious about our work as anybody, we just happen to be set up in the guest room (for a lot of good reason, including low overhead and huge home office tax advantages).
That's because he's "Fezz Garvin, Male Prostitute"Quote:
I made more money in my spare bedroom studio than I ever made doing live gigs
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/78/pics/78ofredgarvin3.jpg
My lead singer is a major control freak
I cannot stand it any longer
Keeps complaining, drama freaking out on people
I'm going to quit, book myself and hire people as I go.
Life is too short