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    1964 Fender Presicion Bass Question

    Hi from Germany

    I have here a 1964 Fender Precision Bass, see pictures & review (german):

    http://www.guitarmaniacs.de/cgi-bin/...allery&id=4440

    serial Number L20070. (Might be 1963 ?? I don't know)

    Color is not original anymoore but the rest is. Originally it was foam green. (NC)



    Question:
    There is the Sphagetti Logo on the Headstock and three Patent Numbers.
    But there is also a "DES" Number DES 187.001 . I never heared about this
    DES Number and also found nothing. So please can you tell me what DES
    means and what the DES Number means?

    Best Regards from Germany
    drstrange

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    Re: 1964 Fender Presicion Bass Question

    DES is a design patent/copyright.

    Here are many of the numbers used (sorry, not the one on your bass):

    Fender Patent and Design Number Guide

    PAT/DES # (grant date) = Description on Application -- What it really is.
    DES 186,826 (??/??/??) = ???
    PAT 2,573,254 (10/30/1951) = "Combination Bridge and Pick-up Assembly for String Instruments" -- Telecaster Bridge Plate
    DES 169,062 (3/24/1953) = "Original and Ornamental Design for a Guitar" -- Precision Bass Body Shape
    PAT 2,741,146 (4/10/1956) = "Tremolo Device for Stringed Instruments" -- Stratocaster Synchronized Tremolo
    PAT 2,817,261 (12/24/1957) = "Pick-up and Circuit for Stringed Musical Instrument" -- Humbucking Pickups used on Lap Steel Guitars
    PAT 2,960,900 (11/22/1960) = "Guitar" Contour Body
    PAT 3,143,028 (8/4/1964) = "Adjustable Neck Construction for Guitars and the Like" -- Adjustable Neck
    DES 204,098(?) (??/??/??) = ???
    PAT 3,241,418(?) (??/??/??) = ??? -- Dynamic Vibrato (probably)
    PAT 3,290,980 (?) (??/??/??) = ???
    PAT 3,550,496 (12/29/1970) = "Tiltable Guitar Neck Incorporating Thrust-Absorbing, Pivot and Locking Element" -- Micro Tilt Neck

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    Re: 1964 Fender Presicion Bass Question

    Found it:

    DES 187,001 is a trademark for the contoured body. It seems that in 1968 they were given a patent for the contoured body (the PATENTED appeared underneath the "Contour Body", so the DES-number became obsolete, and was dropped.)

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    Re: 1964 Fender Presicion Bass Question

    So this DES 187.001 Number appears only from 1954 (first redesign of the P-Bass and shaping introduced) until the year 1968?

    Thanks and regards
    drstrange

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    Re: 1964 Fender Presicion Bass Question

    That number wasn't on headstocks until the mid 60s. Pat. numbers didn't show up until mid '62. IIRC.


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    Re: 1964 Fender Presicion Bass Question

    Ah... here ya go:


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    Re: 1964 Fender Presicion Bass Question

    Thanx.

    This is real good stuff.

    Regards from Germany

    drstrange

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