POWER RESISTORS

[BLUELOU]

WHY DID FENDER PUT THESE HUGE POWER RESISTORS ON THE 2 POWER TUBES OF MY68 SILVERFACED 50 WATT BASSMAN HEAD ?
THE RESISTOR VALUES ARE BOTH (10 W 400 10% ) CAN I REMMOVE THESE RESISTORS TO TIGHTEN UP MY AMP ?

I NEED SUGESSTIONS
THANK YOU
LOU GUITARNOISE2002@HOTMAIL.COM
PASS ME ANY GOOD SAFE SIMPLE MODS OR IDEAS I HAD TO TAKE THIS SHIT AMP APART TO CHANGE THE 1 MEG VOLUME POT SO I AM CURIOUS
THANK YOU
PLEASE REPLY BACK

[BLUELOU]

got any ideas any one out therev in fennder land i am looking to addv more bass and tighten up the bottom end and i dont understand the fundamental reason of fender soldering ythese huge 10 watt 400 10% power resistors across both power tubes lmao pass along ideas please no sarcasm
contact me at guitarnoise2002@hotmail.com
thank you lou

[wurlwynd]

Do not remove those resistors. Tell me - what pins are they connected to?

[BLUELOU]

hi the resistors are connected (soldered to pins 6 and 4 on the tube socket both of them

thank you sincerely lou guitarnoise2002@hotmail.com

what is the purpose of theese huge resistors ?
i really want to add some serious overdriven tube gain saturated i kno its hard from this circuit but i am curious and electrically very careful thank you i hope to hear from you aagain pass me some good ideas on a simple gain mod

me i alwatys hated the shitty bright sound of this particular head only reasonm i keep it is because sentimental reason attachment my dad gave me it in 1970 but i always screwed u
with this monster like adding fans internally and experimenting alot with many many types of pre amp tubes etc
i got tons of em
i wanted to kinda marshalize this thing i think maybe i might give up if no one has any good ideas

PLEASE REPLY BACK SOON PLEASE !!!!!??? I GOT IT ALL APART ON MY WORK BENCH LMAO
THANK YOU
GOD BLESS

PLEASE REPLY BACK ASAP GUITARNOISE2002@HOTMAIL.COM
its just a old amp
SATURDAY AFTERNOON I CHECK TO SEE IF YOU RESPOND BACK
ITS SATURDAY I AM AROUND HERE 3:01 MY TIME FLORIDA

[wurlwynd]

Hope this helps, LOU.

This comes from http://www.aikenamps.com/TechInfo.htm

Grid Resistors - Why Are They Used?
General

If you look at the schematic of a typical guitar amplifier, you will notice that there is a resistor in series with the grid of the first tube, usually around 68K or so, and there is also a resistor in series with the grid of the power tubes, usually 1.5K or 5.6K, and you may occasionally see very large value resistors, such as 470K or greater, in series with tube grids in high-gain preamps. Some amplifiers have no such grid resistors, and occasionally people will recommend removing them to supposedly "increase the gain" of that stage. What is the purpose of these resistors, and should you remove them?
Reasons for the resistors
These resistors, which are commonly called "grid stoppers", are not put on the control grid of the tube for signal level attenuation purposes; rather, they act as a very high frequency low-pass filter in conjunction with the input capacitance of the triode (which is the sum of the grid-to-cathode capacitance and the Miller capacitance, and can get as high as 100pF or more). In the normal operating mode of a vacuum tube, the grid is biased negatively with respect to the cathode. Because of this, there is no current flow into the grid element, and it looks like a very high impedance circuit node. This means that there can be little or no midband attenuation of the input signal, because the voltage divider formed by the series resistor and the high input impedance of the tube is very small. For all practical purposes, the attenuation is negligible at midband, so there is no "increase in gain" by removing these resistors. Attenuation only occurs at the higher frequencies, above the frequency breakpoint caused by the series resistance and the input capacitance.
The grid resistor accomplishes the following things:

It helps prevent high frequency parasitic oscillation in the tube itself
It helps prevent radio frequencies from getting into the input stage, where they can be rectified and lowpass filtered (AM detection) and become audible at the amplifier output
It can limit grid current when the tube is driven into the positive grid region, which helps in preventing "blocking" distortion
Where to put the resistors
In order to take advantage of the parasitic suppression benefits of these grid resistors, they must be placed as close as possible to the socket pin of the tube, preferably soldered directly to the pin with a very short lead. The resistor should be placed after the grid-to-ground resistor (usually 1 Meg or so), to avoid attenuation and to keep the signal path short. If the resistor is connected in series with the input jack and before the 1 Meg grid resistor, there is a small loss of the input signal, although, in most cases the attenuation is not enough to be concerned with (0.94 times for a 68K grid stopper and a 1 Meg grid resistor), and in amplifiers with a high and low level input, the grid stoppers also serve as attenuators. When designing an amplifier, it is better to use separate resistors for input attenuation purposes in order to be able to locate the grid stoppers as close to the input grid pins as possible, rather than mounting them on the input jacks.
How large should they be?
The grid resistor value typically varies from as low as 1.5K to as high as 470K.
Most output stages use relatively small grid resistors, such as the 1.5K seen on the grids of 6L6 tubes in most Fenders, and the 5.6K seen on the grids of EL34 tubes in most Marshalls. In general, the grid resistor at the grid of the power tubes can be as high as 56K to 100K before any noticeable loss of high frequencies occurs. Higher values can help in reducing "blocking" distortion as noted above, and can also take some of the "edge" off of an overly brittle sounding output stage. If the resistor value is made too low, it may not be enough to prevent parasitic oscillations, and the amplifier may exhibit instability in the higher frequency range. This may or may not be audible. Symptoms of oscillations include: high-pitched "squeal", glowing plates at "safe" bias currents, harsh treble response, lack of power, undesirable overtones, and unusual frequency response which makes the amp sound funny. Note that power tubes have a specification for maximum resistance that can be in series with the grid terminal before the tube becomes unstable due to grid current. The maximum allowable resistance is larger in cathode biased circuits than it is in fixed bias circuits because the cathode bias provides some "self-limiting" protection against bias runaway. The total resistance is the sum of the series grid resistor and the bias feed or "grid-to-ground" resistances, so if the max spec is 300K, for example, and there is a 220K bias feed resistor, the largest grid resistance that can safely be used is 80K. Of course, in practice, tubes should not be run that close to the edge of their specifications, to insure reliability.

The grid resistor on the preamp stages typically ranges from 0 to 68K, although very large values, such as 470K, are sometimes used in high-gain preamps to shape the frequency response and prevent "blocking" distortion in the preamp section under heavy overdrive conditions. The Miller capacitance of a typical 12AX7 is around 151pF, so the upper frequency response -3dB cutoff point of a stage using a 68K grid resistor is around 15.5kHz. The frequency response drops to around 2.2kHz if a 470k grid resistor is used. This "free" response rolloff can be used to tame the "buzziness" of high-gain preamp stages without having to add additional rolloff capacitors. Perhaps the most important grid resistor is the one that goes to the grid of the very first stage, right after the input jack. This resistor is the one that prevents oscillations and pickup of radio stations and other noise due to long or poorly-shielded cables. It is not usually a good idea to eliminate this resistor. Ideally, it should be soldered directly to the grid pins of the socket, with very short leads.

[wurlwynd]

Sorry, leave those resistors alone.