Good for you. You edited it because I was taking it so personally? Good for you. Then you continue to defend its underlying premise and infer that I'm the one with a problem. Good for you.
I play with 50 and 60-year old musicians every month who still love what they do. Good for them.
Good, good, good. We're done here.
Look, man, I can't say it any other way than the way it is for me.
I don't want to play bar gigs. I don't have fun, for reasons previously stated. If you dig them, by all means, do them. I don't think LESS of people playing bar gigs. If they're having fun, that's all that matters. For me, with one exception, they are not fun. Drudgery is more like it.
So I am aiming at the weekend festival circuit. I have a number of contacts for those, and while it's too late for this year, that's ok because the band I'm working with at this time is in the formative stage, and we have yet to play out. I'm sure our first few gigs will, indeed, be bar gigs, and I'll hate them. But that is not the goal of the band, it's simply a means to an end. So I'll tolerate them.
If you and your buds are having fun, that's great. Bar gigs quit being fun for me about five years ago. If you want to remain offended, that is your choice, sir. I meant no disrespect and I apologize if you took it that way.
EDIT: For the record, this thread was started because I needed a place to vent because the lead singer in the band has made a lot of noise about "playing in bars for my friends" and the rest of us made it clear that while there was no doubt some of that would happen, that was not the final, end-all, be-all goal of the band and she needed to get with the program.
Any offense to persons, living or dead, was purely coincidental and and I apologize if any was taken. Weren't personal.
Last edited by Hookerman; 07-04-2006 at 09:17 AM.
Originally Posted by Offshore Angler
yea, she's pretty hot, too!
Imanidiot.
Has it been a week yet?
If you leave the house, you're just asking for it.
Yeah, Moonie, it has.
Moonpie, one day without you is too long. One week would be unbearable.
Hookerman--I appreciate what you said in the last post. Thanks. Apology accepted. You never have to edit a post if I get offended, that I'm a moderator makes no difference. I have my opinions and others have theirs. If something crosses TFF rules, I will delete it and take other action as necessary. If anything happens that affects me personally but does NOT cross TFF rules, I'm going to speak my mind.
You may not know a lot about "Forum 'Netiquette," but it is far more offensive to speak your mind, have someone argue with you, and then edit the original post to make it look like the person that the person arguing is arguing for no reason. That's where you pissed me off. Your first post ruffled my feathers because it wasn't phrased the best. When you edited it, you hacked me off but good. When you implied you edited it because I'm too sensitive and/or because you are the wisened age of approximately 50 compared to my approximately 40, that was the last straw. Big mistake.
Your most recent post fixed my issue. Thanks.
Oh, and you also infuriated me when you called Steely Dan/Donald Fagen "elevator music." If you do that again I will ban you.
(Yes, for God's sakes, I'm kidding.)
BAN HIM! BAN HIM! And any other SD haters!
See the SD thread for my reply.
Haven't changed my story. =:-O
BAN HIM! BAN HIM! And any other SD haters!
Hookerman, the issue seems to be that you need to remember that as a community, we all have diverse opinions here. We also have all levels of experience. I'm pretty comfortable in saying I've been gigging as long as many here and probably a lot longer than most. When you make a statement like the one above, and treat it as an absolute, you'll raise hackles. Just so you know, there are some pretty impressive CV's for players amongst us.
You asked a question, got intelligent, cogent replies, and then made what several people, myself included, took as a pretty condescending statement.
It doesn't make you a bad guy. I'm as guilty of Foot in Mouth Disease as anyone. But just because it's tiresome for YOU, doesn't mean that it is for the rest of us.
Very much to the credit of the membership of this place, I beg you to notice that the arguents and replies where made in a civilized, adult manner. In many similar places, a flame war would have erupted that sent you out of town on a rail.
In any event, it's all good, and we hope yor new direction works out for you. If you need any advice on booking bigger venues we'll be glad to help you out.
Chuck
"No harmonic knowledge, no sense of time, a ghastly tone, unskilled vibrato, and so on. Chuck is one of the worst guitar players I know" -Gravity Jim
not me, .........i'm kickin his ass!
Imanidiot.
I wanna play madison square garden..
Until then The mouse Trap will have to do..
If Im able to play out I do it,I dont mind the drunks that much,
as long as they are tiping buying the sauce and having fun,
thats what matters to me it's entertainment.
I imagine im at madison square garden every time I play out,
LOL!!!!! it seems to make me play better.
If you get tired of it well thats the breaks of being in a band,
Kinda like becoming the president then complaining about wearing a tie...
"Do you guys know any Slayer?"
That's funny.
Next time someone asks you that - hit them with your tele.
:-P
Master of Disaster on the Stratocaster
Or, if they ask you if you know any rolling stones tunes - hit them with your B.C. Rich."Do you guys know any Slayer?"
That's funny.
Next time someone asks you that - hit them with your tele.
:-P
Music will always find its way to us, with or without business, politics, religion, or any other bull$hit attached. - E.C.
I hate the,,,
Play some skinner, free bird ya whoo whooo..
Yee Haaww,sweet home alabama,hey earl go get the shotgun,
we'll make'em play the damn thing...
That one's cute,,can I take'm home and play with'em Paaa...
How could you get tired of that...
Agree entirely. I'm in my 50s as are my bandmates. Played those shitholes for 25 years and finally said to heck with it. We just decided it wasn't worth it anymore, so while we still play the odd good one, mostly its other kinds of gigs. We play less but enjoy it more. Then again, we don't do it for a living anymore. The gig money all goes into gear these days for me.
I take umbrage at anyone who is at all condescending towards elevator music, and muzak in particular. Damn snobs -- everywhere you go...
-Mark
Isn't Umbrage a town in Northern England?
A friend in need is a good reason to screen your calls.
Sure, it straddles the river Um.
The Um Valley is very nice, in a pig-latin kind of way.
Several guitars in different colors
Things to make them fuzzy
Things to make them louder
orange picks
Hmm. So, to get across town you have to take the UmBridge?
A friend in need is a good reason to screen your calls.
Sure. There's a relatively well known town that straddles the river Cam, too.
One of the bridges is known as The Bridge of Sighs.
It's analogue in Um is known as The Bridge of Ums.
Several guitars in different colors
Things to make them fuzzy
Things to make them louder
orange picks
Somehow, I don't think you guys are taking my fair and reasonable complaint about the pervasiveness of elevator music snobbery very seriously.
In situations like these, I put my fingers in my ears and hum "The Girl From Ipanema" to myself. Very loudly.
Um, um, um, um, um-um um um...
-Mark
I thought I was the only one who did that.
Several guitars in different colors
Things to make them fuzzy
Things to make them louder
orange picks
I like to sing Billy Don't Be a Hero as loudly as possible over the Muzak.
"I'm gonna find myself a girl
that can show me what laughter means
And we'll fill in the missing colors
In each other's paint-by-number dreams..."
Brage, brage, brage, brage, brage-brage brage brage...
A friend in need is a good reason to screen your calls.
"Girl From Ipanema" is a kickin tune to play though!
Fmaj7, G, F#, F#m,...
"No harmonic knowledge, no sense of time, a ghastly tone, unskilled vibrato, and so on. Chuck is one of the worst guitar players I know" -Gravity Jim
I take the stairs.
On the way up, sometimes I drum on the railing. It's aluminum tubing, and sounds pretty cool. The sound changes, depending whether I tap with my fingers or my nails, in the middle of the rail or near a bracket. Tone is in the attack.
On the way down I tend to whistle.
"Well, I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused..."
Elvis Costello
Several guitars in different colors
Things to make them fuzzy
Things to make them louder
orange picks
i have never been and will never be anything but a common bar room blues guitar player. been at it for damm near 30 years and still love it.
Even some bigger name acts are playing bar gigs these days it seems. I run into both good and bad bar gigs and have been playing clubs for 30 years.
It's usually after a crappy gig that I may feel tired of the club scene but then like a drunk who swears they will never have another drink I find myself gettng excited about the next one.
Or, if they ask you if you know any rolling stones tunes - hit them with your B.C. Rich.
HA! :-P
The tele'd still be in tune tho'...
Master of Disaster on the Stratocaster
I just love the one who asked us 4 times to play some Dave Matthews..
Shit! Is she blind? Here we are, all sorts of different clothes on including a western shirt, cowboy hat and gas station stuff, a band with two teles and and rock-a-billy DeArmond thing twangin' all night and she wants Dave Matthews...even after we all puked the first time she asked?
Some folks just won't ever get it!
If, at first you don't succeed, don't try skydiving.
Two leaps per chasm is fatal!
In the acoustic duo, I had a request for Earth, Wind and Fire once.
Several guitars in different colors
Things to make them fuzzy
Things to make them louder
orange picks
If, at first you don't succeed, don't try skydiving.
Two leaps per chasm is fatal!
"Derivatives". Nice! Remember that musicians borrow and entertainers steal. We make no bones about sounding like an '80s band. It's a conscious effort. That said, playing original music here can be as much fun as surgery. We deal with bad neighborhoods (although the "entertainment" district has nearly shut down recently), low crowds, even lower pay (pay? what's that?), and all of that.
However, I still do this because I love playing, and I like what we do. We've begun a campaign to bring original music to the suburbs around here, and we've marketed it pretty well. Still no crowds to speak of, but we get a guaranteed fee, which never happened downtown in the "indie" scene. The couple times a year we play to a larger crowd at Southgate House makes some of the other jobs a little more tolerable.
Hey Jim - was it you that ditched the bust of James Dean behind the police station there?
Youth and skill are no match for old age and treachery
I love playing out, it does get a touch frustrating sometimes, but it beats working. Ya just can't let it all get to you and enjoy your time out doing your thing. Either that or give up gigging altogether (one less band for me to compete with for gigs
In the acoustic duo, I had a request for Earth, Wind and Fire once.
funny stuff
see, most people don't have a clue
Imanidiot.
I used to play "That's The Way Of The World" in my solo acoustic act. A great song is a great song, and if you get the chords right, you can carry the entire impact of that record withone guitar and voice.
gweimer, your 80's band is so far beyond the average "originals" band in this area, there's no comparison. I'd go through a lot of trouble to play in a band that cool. :)
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