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Back in the days before I knew what an idiot Ted Nugent was, I liked him, especially the first three solo albums. Back then when I saw him, he played through a wall of Fenders, which he claimed were all hooked up and playing.
Does he still play through Fenders? I was listening to a more recent album and his playing sounds like it's going through Marshalls.
I don't know why I even care, but I've been on a nostalgia trip by listening to Free For All.
Something that loudens riffs in A.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I7o3TxH7o0
last i saw it was peavey, a 5150 or 6550, whatever they call it now.
Isn't that The Tone King?
Well, have you ever seen a picture of them together?
Back in the day he played the short-lived but brutally loud Super Twin 2x12s. A monster of an amp that sported like 11 tubes, weighed like 100 pounds and was supossed to put out 180 watts.
To add insult to injury, he had 2x18 extension cabinets underneath.
All that times three!
He claims they were daisy chained and that all were running pretty much dimed....jesus, I can not imagine the earth shattering sonic pressure....
Good thing we learned how to use microphones with small amps and PAs to run sound in big venues....
I remember reading somewhere - maybe the Encyclopedia of Rock - that Ted Nugent became famous through sheer persistence; that no matter how badly his work was received, he simply would not go away.
I thought that was only true of him after he had his one hit. Didn't know it was true before.
No need to apologize for liking Ted Nugent back in the day. The fact that he's a lunatic doesn't mean "Free For All," "Stranglehold," and "Cat Scratch Fever" are no longer fun to listen to. :D
Just went to his website, seems he's booked more with hunting, and archery than music these days.
They're not all in A.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoFauve
Hey Baby is in E.
I can't stand Nugent as a person, but I love those albums with Derek St. Holmes, a fantastic singer.
When I saw him in the 70s, he had those large cabinets, and he was loud.
Like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9UJT0dRXyM
My Friend rob has a Sunn Enforcer - the Ted Nugent Series
only like 200-300 made
dont' know how long ted used those
I remember reading one of those old Guitar Player interviews, back in the day, where he talked on and on about how wonderful he was. I remember it distinctly because he claimed he played so loud at festivals that birds flying in front of his amps would be completely vaporized. They would just disappear, and leave a few fluttering feathers falling through the air.
I swear, torture would be to be locked in the same room with Ted and his ego...
A high school friend of mine liked basically three bands/artists, the Nuge, Neil Young and Pink Floyd.
I wondered if he really paid attention, or he was jusy going along with the stoner crew from Pathmark.
Just imagine what would happen to his head if he heard this:Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoFauve
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR9d4...eature=related
I've probably played worse at keg parties. :slove:
that's $#@% awfulQuote:
Originally Posted by Kap'n
ZAppa would have called the drum track Xenochrony, even if it wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by rudutch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiheU...eature=related
that's what I remember (not in Gemany) but I saw him many times 1976- 1982...
loud!
I still think the LP "ted nugent" is a classic
Yes it is. Derek was great, as was Cliff Davies. Ted played his best stuff on that album, but in many ways he was the weakest link of the band.Quote:
Originally Posted by rudutch
and it all went down hill from there..
Ted's an idiot, but he did make some good records in the 70s.
Yeah, I liked some of his stuff. It has energy and it was kind of nutty and impressed me as a teenager in the late 70's. Back then I knew and understood hew was a bit off the wall but that was the appealing thing somehow...
I never really registered how deranged he really was until I saw something about him on TV and his fights with the animal rights groups standing there and plugging his hunting videos with "'Ya gotta kill it before 'ya grill it..."
Then I realized I had to have been a bit off the wall when I was a teenager but that is actually no secret...
:party:
I knew he was crazy. I remember an interview from Creem mag in the 70s. The highlighted text?: "I'd rape (or "kill," I forget which) a nun if she got in my way." Or something equally as vile.
I think if you look at the Cat Scratch Fever cover it says guitar in to marshall, thats it, no FX or something like that.
For many, many years Ted played a Gibson Byrdland guitar though Fender Dual Showman cabs powered by what looked like Twin Reverb Amps for "heads" (something like four of these huge combos on each side of the stage).
I worked at a few Nugent arena shows back in the seventies, and I do recall him using six Super Twins on top of Dual Showman cabs, in a slight semi circle. Just his Byrdland and a curly guitar cable like we all used back in those days.
All cabs were nicely finished wood, paralleled together and dimed. All of 'em, no dummies. He wore one earplug. We called him Mr. Rude, for his insanely high SPL onstage. It was fun at the time, but thank god those days are over.
Correct - loaded with 15" EV SRO's - and the twins were loaded with 12" SRO's... he had a good deal with the Boys from Buchanan and they stood up well to the abuse by all accounts - the legend says he replaced an average of 1 driver per year over the 3 yrs he used them...Quote:
Originally Posted by bluespckr
As previously stated... he used Super Twins later on but had 4 BF Twins on top of 4 DS cabs and had also used a Marshall head with that rig in the later years of TN and the Amboy Dukes era... quite how it was employed I'm not sure but there are enough photo archives that show a Marshall head on top of that 4 amp set-up to suggest it was used somehow...
That - IMO - was when he was at his peak - before the solo stuff and all the magazine interviews... he's always been an *sshole, people I've met in later life from the Flint/Detroit area have unanimously confirmed this but it hasn't tarnished the memory of seeing him goodness knows how many times - mainly at the Spectrum in Philly but also at MSG a coupla times... another aspect of these tours was his use of a Klipsch sound system that was incredibly efficient - the combination of Twins and that PA meant you heard him loud and clear an I mean really L/C - and I don't remember him hitting a bum note - this of course is tempered by the fact that he wasn't exactly that technical a guitar player - the keys of E and A have already been mentioned but there were a few in B too :biglaugh:
There was a distinct change in both the live and studio sound when he went to the Super Twins and for some stupid reason he went to six ST's when he did... to my ears the sound got thinner and fizzier and I kind lost interest because even thought the songs were already pretty nonsensical - they went from there to unbearably stupid at that point...
As an aside - the latest from our friend Joel Wheeler at Electricamps is that he's supplied some of his amps for Ted's latest exploits... see http://www.motorcitymadamp.com/... these are built along the lines of Matamps and are - as you might expect - built as well as they look like they are... not exactly sure what the whole rig is but if Joel has anything to do with 'em - they're as per the usual Ted scenario - ridiculously loud :D :D :D
he has 're-invented' himself a few times and seems to be doing well..
from sellin out big arenas to talk shows to hunting shows.. better than most of his 'peers' from that era
I'd love to find out that he had a Fender Champ miked behind those stacks.
He's such a blowhard I'm surprised he needs an amp. Seems like all he's have to do is shove the cord up his ass and open his mouth.
:up
journey to the center of the mind always stood out to me, great tone and pretty radical for the day.His later stuff got mundane but no more than say judas priest ect. I have respect for the fellow,he has sold a lot more albums than me:dude
LMFAO!!! I couldn't have put it any better... and I'm still a fan :D :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Offshore Angler
Great post again Rob.
I really don't care about artists political rants one way or the other, just don't stop the show to "convert me".
It always comes up with Ted because he chooses to do so.
Loved that Amboy Dukes sound, and just about everything with the Byrdland/Fender setup.
Like AC/DC...plug in and GO.
Here's something controversial...I think both he and Santana lost a lot of tone when they switched to PRS.
I've never been a fan of PRS, although they make some damned fine looking guitars. Santana needs to strap on a LP, and Nugent should go back to the Byrdland or at least to a Les Paul.
I suspect it's not the instrument, but the artist losing his way, and trying to mix it up to get something going again.Quote:
Originally Posted by ch willie
I like Ted's earlier sound too, and the Byrdland was my favorite of his guitars... but Santana has been playing PRS into a Boogie for a very long time now...I saw photos of him in the early days playing an SG but that was in the 60's, and more than 40 years ago...I don't think you can blame PRS for Santana's tone choices...seems like he only uses the most super-sustaining sounds anymore -- a far cry from the Evil Ways tone, to be sure...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kap'n
Cygnus I agree with what your saying about these artists that try to shove their political views at you, bonzo in u2 comes to mind as countless others , whats the old saying , shut up and play, dont care about your politics just your music..........:bonk and yes give me a lp,tele,sg or strat and a fender or vox or marshall over a prs and mezaboogies any day
I don't think Santana has been interesting since he stopped playing the Yamaha. I don't think the PRS is to blame. I think Carlos' playing has just become dull and predictable and his choice of sound (not the instrument but amp gain) has been more buzzy and compressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rickenjangle
Except of course, when he played a Strat on I'm Winning. A return to form. :laughing:
I kind of like Santana's playing on that first album, especially the hit with Rob Thomas. Still, I'd rather have heard it on a Les Paul or an SG (I'm a fuddy duddy who worships at the altars of Gibson, Fender, Martin, and Rickenbacker).
LOVE that song! I'd forgotten about it. Thanks, Kap'n!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kap'n
No you bloody can't!!! I ordered a L/H L6-S on the basis of his endorsement and having listened to his version of 'Europa' on 'Moonflower'... that Gibson, in the end, backed out of supplying... I was 18 yrs old... in a sh*t job... and saved religiously for that guitar... the up side is that most people that ever owned one would say that I got out lucky :D... the irony of that story is that I was offered a L/H wine red Lester Deluxe for another 100 bucks that I wish I still owned but because I was so p*ssed off with the wait and eventual disappointment... refused... it was a peach and I was young and stupid...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rickenjangle
Don't know how a thread regarding such a mundane subject as UT's amps has veered onto Santana's choice of guitar but I'm running with Kap's view... the poor chap (the once unbelievably promising Carlos) hasn't done a lot besides annoy folk in the first few rows with a pretty loud and horrendous tone for some time now... and I agree it has nothing to do with his choice of guitar or any other equipement for that matter...
Regarding UT - he's always been the same really - and how funny is it that I - a fairly bleeding heart liberal - sometimes agree that we should line up all the social deviants that tarnish our otherwise peaceful lives and 'terminate their command without prejudice'... maybe there is a part in all of us that wishes we were as ridiculously out-spoken as our favorite idiot UT...
Sorry - did I just get political?... :D :D :D...
Nah - the best sound he ever got (which seems to be a fairly 'nominal' opinion amongst his unoffendable faithful) was with those BF Twins and a Byrdland right around the time he was working his socks off and before he got all that media attention for having done so... it was magic because he was a 'showman' and played the notes - irrespective of how mundane they were and eventually became 10 fold - with no apparent attention to their execution as well as - and if not - better than - the likes of Little Richard or Chuck Berry ever did - and in front of a lot more people than both of them combined... That was exciting to watch for any kid who was ever tied to 'watching their hands do it just to make sure'...
Wow. The fact that nuge faltered and used a PRS for a time led to this Santana tangent? A Santangent, perhaps? :laughing:
No one seems to care that Ted's using lowly Peaveys, which was the answer to the original question.
Interesting.
You actually think that? If only he used a different brand?Quote:
Originally Posted by ch willie
What bugs me about Carlos' comeback phase is that he's basically a sideman on generic pop records, there to make that familiar Santana noise. He's a the hood ornament, while Rob Thomas mangles vowels and along with the other guests employs cheestastic hispanic references in their lyrics.
Matchbox 20 fans probably think it's really diverse.
Tracks 1, 4, 8, 9, 10, 11 & 12 on Supernatural were mainly created by CS and his band (minus american MTV celebrities) and comprise most of my hope that there can ever be a good Santana album again.
I tuned out after that, hoping at some point his obligation to Clive Davis will be fulfilled and he'll make an uniterupted Santana record someday.
Maybe he'll collaborate with his new wife and Chester Thompson and make a record for grownups.
Lots of famous musicians are asses, even some of our heroes. Remember one in particular I got paired up with in a golf cart (neither of us are golfers, lol) and had to listen his dumbass politico ranting for hours... :(
Neofauve, I can't disagree with you. I do like that one song, but not because of Rob Thomas. I like the leads on the song, even if CS is selling out. And I only want to see him with a Paul or an SG because I like the old school instruments. I'd like to see Santana do something for adults as well. You make some good points.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoFauve
Bummer. He used the Yamaha on that record, if I'm to believe the pix on the inside sleeveQuote:
Originally Posted by yankeerob
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...H5jBTZ5lcg&t=1
Both Carlos, and Nugent, I think are sort of cartoons of themselves these days.
Carlos has a chemistry w/Thompson. I'd listen to them on a project along the lines of Blues For Salvador, or Milagro, even if he was playing one of these into a POD and a powered cabinet.
Chester's a great player. His work with Zappa was among FZ's best.
I'm still looking for the one that led this off to a "Santangent..."
I'll let you know if I find the offender.
Oh...chit.
I feel another "Odd Thought" creeping in.
I never promised I'd be the smartest dog in the house.
:D
I don't know what he used in the studio, but I love the toneS Ted gets in "Stranglehold."
Not on great authority, but I heard Fender 6G3.
Wel Cygnus, give us some more of your odd thoughts in the whammy. It's been too long since you've deposited one of them in our cyber world.
There are so many qualifiers...Odd first.Quote:
Originally Posted by ch willie
Then it has to be debatable without causing flames.
It has to fit within a mold.
I have a zillion odd thoughts from the time I put on my socks in the morning to the time I take them off.
But then I don't dream much, I save that for the day.
:bonk
Biggest point of Ted's tone is driving those Fenders to the breaking point, using that hollowbody, and attitude.
I'll leave politics out of the discussion for the same reason I'd talk about the E Street tone and avoid whatever Bruce thinks
when not performing.
Aspen Pittman is the origin of that rumor. It might be true, but it would change his batting average significantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cygnus X1
Well, there you have it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kap'n
Probably a plexi then.
:wah:
Anyone here familiar with a rather obscure vinyl LP titled "Survival of the Fittest" by Ted Nugent & the Amboy Dukes? It remains one of my favorites of all-time by any artist. I wish it was on CD. The back cover art collage is incredible ...
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...THEFITTEST.jpg
"Survival" was recorded live at the Eastowne Theater in Detroit on July 31 and Aug. 1, 1970, and features Rob Ruzga (bass), K.J. Knight (drums and vocals), Andy Solomon (keys, sax and vocals) and of course Ted (guitar and vocals). It has a raw, live sound I love, and the tracks are hot --- Ted and the Amboy Dukes at their best.
That was my intro to Nuge....great album.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluespckr
Weren't the cabinets called Dual Showmans? And when I saw in 1977 at Memorial Stadium in Charlotte, NC he was using the (6) Super's with the (6) Dual Showman's and the newspaper the next day said he was audible for 5 miles away from the stadium!!!:party:Quote:
Originally Posted by Erock_Germany
Dual Showman cabinets, maybe.
A "Dual Showman" is a clean 85-135W amp (depending on era) head with a 2x15 cabinet. It is to a Twin Reverb what a Bandmaster is to a Vibrolux Reverb. No reverb, tremolo on one channel.
http://www.thesurfkings.com/12-02%20...howman%202.JPG
[actual size] :biglaugh: